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? check out greece. that's what happens when a country avoids making tough fiscal decisions for too long. >>> a top republican pollster about what went wrong on their side. a lot of information coming here and why if republicans don't change the way they do business they may be on the losing end of elections for years to come. plus, the black helicopter crowd is at it again. republicans in the senate reject a united nations treaty to ban discrimination against the disabled. they say it would allow u.n. officials to come into this country and force home-schooled children into government-run, that is public schools. senator john kerry joins us to cut through the nonsense. >>> also tonight, the simpson's mr. burns gives us a rich man's look at the fiscal cliff. >> think of the economy as a car and the rich man is the driver. if you don't give the driver, he'll drive you over a cliff. >> that's an aside show and this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> never too early for pollsters to start head to 2016. guess who's looking very strong? hillary clinton. a new abc news/washington post
it from becoming greece and save social security and medicare and to anybody listening to this program, i'll raise the debt ceiling only if we save medicare and social security from insolvency and prevent this country from becoming greece. >> prevent this country from becoming greece. what is your reaction to that? >> absolute and utter nonsense. this country is not becoming greece. this country -- this country, frankly, has a big unemployment problem. we have a deficit problem in the short term, not the long term. it's not a real problem now. our bonds selling higher than before and lower interest rates. it's not an immediate problem. he's saying what's worse. what he is saying is use blackmail on the entire economy like a gangster. pity if it happens to blow up. not increasing the debt ceiling -- >> already did that before. they have done it before. >> they have. >> and will do it again. >> frankly, that is obnoxious beyond belief. the president should not concede or negotiate on that basis at all. >> the president is adamant on the fact that's not a part of this conversation. >> it can
political crisis. >>> in greece, police fended off protesters launching molotov cocktails. >>> and in the u.s., the president is taking his fiscal cliff solutions directly to the people. >>> plus, a modern-day spy story ripped from the pages of a tom clancy novel. good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry and we start with breaking news out of japan. a strong 7.3-magnitude earthquake has struck off the country's northeastern coast. that's the same region hit by last year's massive earthquake and tsunami. well, this morning's quake shook buildings as far as tokyo, and there are reports of a three-foot tsunami in the miyagi prefecture. the u.s. geological survey says there's no risk of a widespread tsunami, and so far, there have been no news of injuries or damage. of course, we're going to keep an eye on any aftershocks that occur and we'll bring you the very latest. >>> well, elsewhere, all eyes are on cairo this morning as turmoil has once again overtaken egypt's capital. this time, it's in response to a politically explosive power grab by the democracy's president, mohamed morsi. right now,
it from becoming greece. the game you're talking about is small ball. you're talking about raising the ceiling for 11 days. how about doing something big these not liberal. every idea is a liberal idea. how about manning up, mr. president and use your mandate to bring this country together to stop us from becoming greece. >> man up. with jim demint leaving, a new poll shows who they wants a his replacement. put your votes in. a very funny south carolinian. the one and only stephen colbert. the comedian miami tops the list. this is an honest poll. 20%. tim scott comes in second. colbert addressed the speculation around his potential candidacy on his show last night. >> there's already a twitter page, facebook, draft colbert website. i can tell you having done a show with him in charleston, he's an absolute rock star in that state. >> yes, i am a rock star in south carolina and not just because i ended my rally there with herman cain by biting the head off a dove. now, my network contract prohibits me from taking on another full-time job, so the sfl senate would be perfect. >>> south
the country from becoming greece but i'm not going to set aside the 1.2 trillion in cuts. any hope of going over the fiscal cliff must start in the senate. not one democrat would support the idea that we could protect 99% of americans from a tax increase. boehner's plan b i thought made as soon as. to my republican kcolleagues, te the ronald reagan model is if you get 80% of what you want, that's a good day. i lime simpson-bowles. the president is going to get tax rate hikes. to my republican colleagues, if we can protect 99% of the public from a tax hike that, is not a tax increase in my book. chuck, maybe you and me and some other people in the senate can find a way to find this on the short term but on the long term there's not going to be a deal any time soon. >> you think we're going to go over the cliff? >> i think we're going to fall out of the fiscal tree. the big chance at the big deal is at the debt ceiling. that's when we'll have leverage to turn the country around, prevent from becoming greece and save social security and medicare. to anybody listening, i will raise the debt cei
of hijacking the government. >> put us on a very slippery slope towards the plight of greece and spain and others who basically don't have that check. this whole notion of unlimited credit card is just pure poppycock and it's something that only can be dreamed of as a fiscally responsible thing in washington, d.c. >> but, you know, you still have a process and procedure in terms of the budget where the president proposes a budget and congress is playing a much more significant role in that process. when the time at which the idea of, you know, approving the debt ceiling was when congress was playing less of a role in the budget process. congress is far more engaged in that process. so, i don't think this is about going the way of greece or spain as much as it is, you know, people like to hold on to as much power as long as they think they can. >> karen -- >> ken, take a listen to what tom cole said earlier this week on taxes. take a listen to this. >> in my view we all agree that we are not going to raise taxes on people who make less than $250,000. we should take them out of this disc
.s. ambassador to nato, greece, and a number of other places. nick, great to see you. you are such an old hand, veteran diplomat, and were at least at the state department. i think you were serving in greece. the last time we had one of these major reports, which was on the 1998 bombings. this report has been done by two senior experienced people, tom pickering and admiral mike mullen, and my indications are that it is really going to be very tough on the state department. hillary clinton has to defend this and present it to congress. >> well, andrea, i don't have a preliminary indication of what the report was saying, but i think secretary clinton would drae grae to testify publicly, but there are obviously congress has an obligation i think they have chosen to highly objective non-political, non-partisan people in tom pickering, ambassador tom pickering, and admiral mike mullen, and we'll see what the report says, but clearly the administration does need to deal with these issues before we get to 2013 and the president's inauguration. >> and one of the questions that is being examined is all
the country from becoming greece. >> that was republican senator lindsey graham laying the blame for the fiscal cliff failure on president obama. democrats think otherwise. let's bring in karsz bass. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me on. >> is there a chance the economy could fail on the extent of the greece economy. >> i was very optimistic on wednesday. on thursday when boehner could not get the votes from his own caucus for his own deal that definitely left me concerned. this is so reminiscent of last year the payroll tax cut where the house gop kind of fell apart and the leadership had to come from the senate so i think that is probably the case. >> republicans say the president has not been willing to compromise. republican congressman from ohio on cnn this morning said the president has to act on spending before there can be a deal. let's listen to that. >> where the president has not been serious is the other side of the equation. he is all about taxes and has this mandate on taxes but the spending cuts, the need to get us out of this mess, he hasn't been seri
say we don't want to become like greece. what's driving off the fiscal cliff look like? it makes us look completely irresponsible as if we can't control our own spending and put in order some priorities. >> so some health care will be suffering? >> that's absolutely true. we want to incentive doctors ask hospitals to keep people well. not to just do procedures. and that's the key to really transforming medicare. >> i want to show you a map of the states that are refusing to implement the insurance exchanges. it's rather interesting. the other states are either implementing the exchanges or haven't decided to do that. if states don't decide to do it and the federal government comes in and sets up the exchange, isn't that kind of a win for the move towards universal health care because the infrastructure will be there? >> i think it provides people an option whether governors are refusing or not. that's the most important thing so they can get access to insurance products. also i think, you know, it takes away the claim that the federal government is u surping health care. states forf
seem like an emerging market economy here. >> are we greece? >> our politics are becoming as dysfunctional as greece. i mean, we're not greece, but if you look at what businessmen say about why they're not investing in the u.s., they will often give dysfunctional politics in washington as the top answer. it's not even tax rates that people are concerned about. it's just getting a deal, getting people aligned. >> we're going to roll some tape, but i just wanted to ask you quickly, last week your sort of advice to republicans was don't cave, compromise. >> right. >> so this week, given what we've seen so far, we see these one-on-one negotiations taking place, what do you think the best strategy on the part of the republicans is? >> don't cave. compromise. you're not going to get 35%. you're just not going to. you're not going to. the economy will go up in flames. you're just not going to get 35%. the president needs to understand he's not going to get 39.6%. if i were sitting in the house and the president asked me to go four, five percentage points up on tax rates right now
government out to operate. >> well, it didn't work that well in greece. not so positive in spain. these countries were deeply committed to your position. no tax increases. >> those states were bankrupted by their overspending. >> no one wanted to pay for it. >> the modern republican party wants less taxes and lower spending. they passed a ryan plan which reforms entitlements, reforms taxes, doesn't raise taxes. it's the democrats who don't have a legislative budget. >> make the case for why you view this the president making a truly balanced approach to not just solving this problem but really moving the economy forward. >> well, he has. and first of all, let's be clear. the way you get massive tax increases, $5 trillion tax increases, is if you go over the fiscal cliff. what the president has said, let's just ask higher income individuals to contribute a little more to reduce our deficit to prevent that from happening. the president has taken a balanced approach. look, we already entered into $1 trillion in cuts which we'll have to enforce and implement over the next 10 years, i
, you see the fiscal catastrophe of greece, the fragile economics of other countries on the periphery, you see how it's possible for countries to blow it, to keep running up debt, keep spending more than they bring in. right now the world is looking at us, the whole world, by the way, people as far away as hong kong, people have to make sharp decisions about money and see if we, the americans, can be the deadline we set ourselves. can we do what arithmetic dictates and meet our own commitments can't we? i was out there pretty much alone about those wars with iraq, with warning about the weaknesses, political weaknesses of certain democrats over the years, but this fiscal cliff i say is for real. there on would be nothing but trouble if we go over it. even if we get to close to it. the president staked out his
read the newspapers, you see the fiscal catastrophe of greece. right now, the world is looking at us. the whole world. people as far away as hong kong. people have to make sharp decision about money and they are making to see if we americans can be the deadline. can we meet our own commitments? i have been alone in the role i've got here. i was alone about the wars in iraq. political weaknesses of certain democrats over the years. but this fiscal cliff is for real. nothing but trouble if we go over it. even if we get
or any american congress borrow anymore more money until we fix this country from becoming greece. and that requires significant entitlement reform. >> meanwhile, president obama and house speaker john boehner met sunday at the white house. the spokespeople for both men said they agreed not to release details or characterize the meeting. it was their first one-on-one meeting in 18 months as boehner spokesman michael steele says he is still waiting on a counteroffer from the president to last week's republican offer. in michigan today president obama said the house just needs to pass the bill already passed by the senate. >> congress lets middle class taxes go up, economists will tell you that means people will spend nearly $200 billion less than they otherwise would spend. consumer spending is going to go down. all congress needs to do is pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. >> president obama still has the american people firmly on his side. this is what the republicans don't get, apparently. 60% support raising taxes on households
the country from becoming greece, saving social security and medicare. >> so, what senator graham is essentially outlining is that this is sort of a bargaining chip that the republican party does have. the debt limit today, we reach it, but we can get about another two months before we truly go over. do you agree with that sort of strategy that the debt limit be used as a way to kind of leverage more on the spending side out of the white house and democrats in congress? >> personally, no. i happen to think that when your credit card comes due, you pay the bill, but i can understand the frustration of people like lindsey graham, who's an extremely responsible and very, very good senator, in my opinion, because he wants to get something done. and what we're seeing here is very little action on the spending side of the ledger. let's say that leader mcconnell and vice president biden reach an agreement today, which i certainly hope they will, but that agreement clearly is just going to be on the revenue side. the majority's going to be on the revenue side, and the problem is on the sp
broke. we'll go the way of greece, and the president hasn't moved off that. he's still playing politics with these issues, and frankly i think most of us now don't care who gets the blame. we're concerned about our economy and about our paychecks. >> richard, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell took to the senate floor this afternoon and said despite the setback all is not loss. >> there's no situation that remains an impossible sticking point. the sticking point appears to be a willingness and interest or frankly the courage to close the deal. i want everyone to know i'm willing to get this done. but i need a dance partner. >> you know, so richard, here we are talking about this blame game, and everybody is pointing their fingers at one another as we've been hearing all afternoon. what do you think that republicans are looking for here? >> i heard the same "meet the press" interview that terry did. i didn't hear the president casting blame. what i heard was the president talking the ways in which he's gone more than halfway to the republicans' position on taxes, on spending. i think
is $15,000 per person higher than it is in greece. so, we're not far from that position, and what we have to have is some realistic leadership that says let's think long term. everybody's going to have to sacrifice. there's not a problem we can't solve if we all work together, and we can do it, but everybody's going to have to have some pain. but let's think about the long term. let's quick thinking about the republican or democrat party. let's start thinking about the country. >> yeah. >> and that's what we're not seeing in leadership. >> michael -- >> everybody wants their own advantage, and so you hear all these sharp words coming out of different politicians about how bad the last guy is. what we ought to say is let's get the process moving. let's put it on the floor. why didn't we put -- you know, we wanted to put simpson/bowles on the floor. >> thank you. >> i want to see that. >> couldn't get it. >> michael, i know you're next. hold on one second, though. tom, senator, if the president showed up on capitol hill and rolled up his sleeves, would that make a difference? >> well, yeah,
us from becoming greece. >> i want to bring in national political reporter for the ap and matt welch, editor and chief of "reason" magazine. good morning. >> good morning. >> so last night apparently team obama called boehner and asked for more details on taxes. boehner's office said they're waiting for more details on spenting cuts. liz, why does it matter who gives what details first? what's the game here? >> well, i think what you're saying is whoever gives the details first, the other side is going to have an advantage to either position against those details. you know, the white house during health care debate, for example, was very -- it was, you know, step back and didn't give many details as to what they wanted to do because at the beginning because they didn't want to target on their back. i think this is almost a game of chicken right now. the problem is it's a game of chicken with very, very high stakes. and you've got the white house out there, you know, publicly putting pressure on republicans by sending obama, for example, to michigan but gamt trying to negotiate behind
becoming greece. >> today, despite the president being in hawaii, the fiscal cliff is still on the agenda. kristen welker is with the president in honolulu. good day to you, kristen. what are you hearing there? >> reporter: alex, good morning to you. white house officials say this is very much a working vacation, no word if president obama has actually spoke on the congressional leaders at this point. i can tell you that conversations are going on at the staff level. but the reality is that the hard work, the final touches probably won't be put on these bills or this bill, rather, that they're hoping to get until lawmakers, the president, return to washington. and of course that won't happen until after the christmas holiday. this has a lot of people worried, alex, because as you say there's not a lot of time left to get a deal done. president obama, house speaker john boehner, were very close to getting a deal. president obama had given a little on entitlement reform, house speaker john boehner had given a lit until terms of agreeing to increase taxes. but they just couldn't get to the f
rate increases, maybe not at 250, but upper rate americans. we accomplished little in not become greece. this won't affect the debt situation. it will be a political victory for the president and i hope we have the courage of what we believe is republicans. hats off to the president, he won. >> reporter: democrats would acknowledge this deal, if there is a deal is smaller in scope and won't do as much for reducing the deficit long term as both sides hoped. the real focus is to focus the most harm on people. not having everyone's taxes going up. there's a lot more involved in it. we have been focused on taxes. we hope to have something that gives a sense of are they close? will they get there? within a couple hours. >> a couple hours. we'll check in with you again. thank you so much. i want to bring in a fiscal policy reporter, laura montgomery as well as political writer for "the new york times," john harwood. you heard kelly mention some republicans weren't feeling the president's interview on "meet the press" this morning. they took issue with it. from that interview and what you saw
. president, and use your mandate to bring this country together to stop us from becoming greece. >> okay. there we go. some advice there for the president. >>> here with us now former white house counselor for president bush. ceo of the consulting firm, hill and milton strategies. dan bartlett back at the table. good to have you this morning. a couple must reads to look at. >> you can ask a question if i can ask rattner a question. you go first. >> when are you going to man up? what happened, man? we republicans, we used to drive liberals crazy. we'd win elections we shouldn't win. we would steal senate seats we should never steal. we would shock -- they never saw it coming. willie geist talked about the morning after the 2004 election, you had liberals on the upper west sidewalking around like zombies. some of them walked straight into the hudson river. that doesn't happen. we're not the smart party, we're the stupid party. what happened? >> well, there's that. >> what happened in '12? how did we perform so badly? is it our tactics? >> well, the primary process obviously didn't help us
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